Konference: SAPI-1 a československé mikropočítače

Od:	Jiri Biba
Datum:	7.9.2011 22:45
Předmět:	Re: zalohovanej Ramdisk
[Archiv 2011 / 9]
Takze na Sapi prevedes COM (BIN) na HEX a posles ho ven jako soubor
Hex a na druhy strane ho zachytis Hyperterminalem jako textovej
soubor? Jako datovej to nejde, tam musi byt nektery protokol X, Y
nebo Z modem. A ty v sobe Sapi nema. Mozna kdybych vedel jak maji
protokoly vypadat, tak bych zvladnul naprogramovat nejakej
jednoucelovej obousmernej modemovej protokol pro Sapi.
Nojo, ale co v PC s tim hexem? Jak to zase v PC prevyst na COM nebo
BIN?
Jeste ze me chodej oboustrane aspon ty textaky....
Ja vsechny zdrojaky v assembleru pisu v obycejnym Poznamkovym bloku
a pak to prenesu Hyperterminalem do Sapi se spustenym upravenym
PIPem a v Sapi to prelozim a odladim. Ty editory u osmibitu jsou
naprosto strasny....
Jirka

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Předmět: Re: zalohovanej Ramdisk
Datum: 7.9.2011 - 20:44:16

> 
> Prenyst spolehlive binarni data do programatoru na
> PC
> > stale neumim... 
> 
> je tu format ktery to zvladne bez straty kiticky a
> to je starsi nez 8080
> 
> kolikrat se mam opakovat ze nejspolehlinejsi
> nejuniverzalnejsi a snad nejdele pouzivany format
> na prenos binarnich dat je:
> 
> INTELHEX
> 
> pouzivaji se znaky ":" 0-9 A-F "CR" a "LF" takze
> se da bezproblemu poslat i pomoci 7bit kodovani a
> ze znaku s nisim cislem nez 32 (mezera) se
> pouzivaji jen "navrat vozu" a "novy radek" tj.
> data jsou ulezena v HEX formatu
> soucasti kodu je delka radku, adresa, vlastni data
> a kontrolni soucet (krom dvojtecky ktera udava
> zacatek kodu)
> vzhledem k datu vzniku umi jen 64KB jak nazev
> napovida tak bilo vivinuto firmou INTEL za ucelem
> prenosu dat tj. obsahu mameti xROM (INTEL se ve
> svich pocatcich vihradne venoval virobe pameti)
> napr TESLA pouzivala tentiz format za sejnim
> ucelem jako INTEL tj. k zadavani obsahu pameti
> xROM
> 
> SAPI v sestave ZPS-2 s Monitorem/MIKOSem V4 i V5
> tento format tez umi
> 
> pokut budes chtit poradit jak na to tak jsem se
> stim uz zabival a bezne to pouzivam na prenos dat
> mezi SAPI a PeCkou a to bez nejakich specialnich
> programku ci sileneho nastavivani cehokoli tj. na
> strane PeCky mi staci TRMINAL ktery zvladne
> zachitavat do souboru coz jsou vpoctate vsechny
> 
> 
> aneb vipadato napr takto:
> (vipis MIKROBASICU 4KB)
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> 
> > 
> > Tak badam nad tim ROMdiskem, jak ho udelat.
> > -Eprom by bylo nejjednodussi reseni, deska
> > ROM-1A by sla pouzit ale bylo by
> > > slozity dostat data v podobe obrazu diskety do
> > Epromek. Kor kdyz programator
> > > na Sapi umi jen 27128. Prenyst spolehlive
> > binarni data do programatoru na PC
> > > stale neumim... Asi by se musel napsat nejakej
> > soft, kterej z obsahu RMD-1/1
> > > MB (kde by bylo pripravino co ma byt na
> > Romdisku) by hrnul do bufferu
> > > jednotlivy sektory a ty pak programoval do
> > Epromek. Jenze k tomu by musel
> > > byt taky HW ktery by mel 8 datovejch a 18
> > adresovejch bitu a 2-3 ridici
> > > signaly pro rizeni CE napeti a pod. To by asi
> > slo pomoci obou portu na DPP-1
> > > ale muselo by se udelat nejaky zapojeni patice
> > pro Eprom a rizeni pristupu a
> > > programovaciho napeti. To je strasne prace...
> > -SRam by bylo slusny reseni, dalo by se do ni
> > nahrat jako do Ramdisku a pak
> > > zablokovat zapis. Jenze zase baterka, Max na
> > hlidani napajeni baterky a pod.
> > > Ale zase by k tomu sel snadno pridat realnej
> > cas. Nasratovat na bastldesku
> > > by asi nebyl problem.
> > -EEprom koukal jsem do katalogu a pozadovany
> > 512Kx8 se snad ani nevyrabi a
> > > navic jsou velky EEprom dost drahy. A ani
> > vlastne nevim, co by to
> > > potrebovalo kolem sebe na zapsani do nich.
> > Nehlede na problem s E5 v
> > > adresari popsany nize u Flash.
> > -Flash Nasel jsem zdroj na K6X4008T1F za par
> > kacek kus. Nikdy jsem ale s
> > > Flash nedelal a tak nevim, jak se do toho
> > zapisuje. V katalogu se mi to jevi
> > > jako klasicky pristup do Ram. Jen s tim, ze se
> > musi pred zapisem vymazat
> > > cela a nebo aspon blok 64 KB. Tak ted ale nevim,
> > zda by to makalo pod CPM,
> > > tam je ocekavano ze v adresari prazdnyho disku
> > bude vzorek E5. Takze to asi
> > > nepujde. Pokud neni RMD-1 na zacatku v adresari
> > popsan E5, tak blbne, bud
> > > hlasi ze je plny, RO a nebo neumozni zapsat po
> > celym disku. Slysel jsem, ze
> > > nektry Flash se daji prepisovat, nemusi se pred
> > zapisem vymazat ale neni mi
> > > jasny, jak se to u konkretniho typu pozna. Zase
> > by u toho nemohl byt realny
> > > cas, ten potrebuje baterku.
> > Takze to zase asi spadne do baterkove zalohovany
> > Ramky.
> > > Jsou moje uvahy spravny? Nemohl by se nekdo
> > vyjadrit?
> > > Jirka 
> > 
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> > sapi tu byla ta zakroucena vec pandora.cz
> > Konference o SAPI-1
> > ------------------------
> sapi tu byla ta zakroucena vec pandora.cz
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