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<table width="100%"><tr><td align="left" valign="middle"></td><td align=right valign="middle"></td></tr></table><BR>       <div>Prenyst spolehlive binarni data do programatoru na PC<br/>&gt; stale neumim... </div> <div><font></font>&nbsp;</div> <div><font>je tu format ktery to zvladne bez straty kiticky a to je&nbsp;starsi&nbsp;nez 8080</font></div> <div><font></font>&nbsp;</div> <div>kolikrat se mam opakovat ze nejspolehlinejsi&nbsp;nejuniverzalnejsi&nbsp;a snad nejdele pouzivany format na prenos&nbsp;binarnich dat&nbsp;je:</div> <div><font></font>&nbsp;</div> <div><strong><font color="#ff0000">INTELHEX</font></strong></div> <div><font></font>&nbsp;</div> <div><font> <div><font>pouzivaji se znaky ":" 0-9 A-F "CR" a "LF" takze se da bezproblemu poslat i pomoci 7bit kodovani a ze znaku s nisim cislem nez 32 (mezera) se pouzivaji jen "navrat vozu" a "novy radek" tj. data jsou ulezena v HEX formatu</font></div> <div>soucasti kodu je delka radku, adresa, vlastni data a kontrolni soucet (krom dvojtecky ktera udava zacatek kodu)</div> <div>vzhledem k datu vzniku umi jen 64KB jak nazev napovida tak bilo vivinuto firmou INTEL za ucelem prenosu dat tj. obsahu mameti xROM (INTEL se ve svich pocatcich vihradne venoval virobe pameti)&nbsp;napr TESLA pouzivala tentiz format za sejnim ucelem jako INTEL tj. k zadavani obsahu pameti xROM</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>SAPI v sestave ZPS-2 s Monitorem/MIKOSem V4 i V5&nbsp;tento format tez umi</div></font></div> <div><font></font>&nbsp;</div> <div><font>pokut budes chtit poradit jak na to tak jsem se stim uz zabival a <font color="#ff0000">bezne to pouzivam na prenos dat mezi SAPI a PeCkou<font color="#000000"> a to bez nejakich specialnich programku ci sileneho nastavivani cehokoli tj. na strane PeCky mi staci TRMINAL ktery zvladne zachitavat do souboru coz jsou vpoctate vsechny</font></font></font></div> <div><font></font>&nbsp;</div> <div><font></font>&nbsp;</div> <div>&nbsp;aneb vipadato napr takto:</div> <div><font>(vipis 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Kor kdyz programator<br/>&gt; na Sapi umi jen 27128. Prenyst spolehlive binarni data do programatoru na PC<br/>&gt; stale neumim... Asi by se musel napsat nejakej soft, kterej z obsahu RMD-1/1<br/>&gt; MB (kde by bylo pripravino co ma byt na Romdisku) by hrnul do bufferu<br/>&gt; jednotlivy sektory a ty pak programoval do Epromek. Jenze k tomu by musel<br/>&gt; byt taky HW ktery by mel 8 datovejch a 18 adresovejch bitu a 2-3 ridici<br/>&gt; signaly pro rizeni CE napeti a pod. To by asi slo pomoci obou portu na DPP-1<br/>&gt; ale muselo by se udelat nejaky zapojeni patice pro Eprom a rizeni pristupu a<br/>&gt; programovaciho napeti. To je strasne prace...<br/>&gt; -SRam by bylo slusny reseni, dalo by se do ni nahrat jako do Ramdisku a pak<br/>&gt; zablokovat zapis. Jenze zase baterka, Max na hlidani napajeni baterky a pod.<br/>&gt; Ale zase by k tomu sel snadno pridat realnej cas. Nasratovat na bastldesku<br/>&gt; by asi nebyl problem.<br/>&gt; -EEprom koukal jsem do katalogu a pozadovany 512Kx8 se snad ani nevyrabi a<br/>&gt; navic jsou velky EEprom dost drahy. A ani vlastne nevim, co by to<br/>&gt; potrebovalo kolem sebe na zapsani do nich. Nehlede na problem s E5 v<br/>&gt; adresari popsany nize u Flash.<br/>&gt; -Flash Nasel jsem zdroj na K6X4008T1F za par kacek kus. Nikdy jsem ale s<br/>&gt; Flash nedelal a tak nevim, jak se do toho zapisuje. V katalogu se mi to jevi<br/>&gt; jako klasicky pristup do Ram. Jen s tim, ze se musi pred zapisem vymazat<br/>&gt; cela a nebo aspon blok 64 KB. Tak ted ale nevim, zda by to makalo pod CPM,<br/>&gt; tam je ocekavano ze v adresari prazdnyho disku bude vzorek E5. Takze to asi<br/>&gt; nepujde. Pokud neni RMD-1 na zacatku v adresari popsan E5, tak blbne, bud<br/>&gt; hlasi ze je plny, RO a nebo neumozni zapsat po celym disku. Slysel jsem, ze<br/>&gt; nektry Flash se daji prepisovat, nemusi se pred zapisem vymazat ale neni mi<br/>&gt; jasny, jak se to u konkretniho typu pozna. Zase by u toho nemohl byt realny<br/>&gt; cas, ten potrebuje baterku.<br/>&gt; Takze to zase asi spadne do baterkove zalohovany Ramky.<br/>&gt; Jsou moje uvahy spravny? Nemohl by se nekdo vyjadrit?<br/>&gt; Jirka <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; ---------------------<br/>&gt; <a href="mailto:sapi@pandora.cz">sapi@pandora.cz</a><br/>&gt; Konference o SAPI-1<br/>&gt; ---